Hello everybody, i have a question, maybe it is stupid, but i can see that Capt. Sobel is listed as being awarded the Combat Infantry Badge in june 1944, as a part of the 506th PIR...

I was wondering what exactly was his fonction in the Regiment at this time (june 1944)? I thought he had been sent out to the jump school of Chilton Foliat (spelling?), but was he still a part of the 506th PIR anyway??? And what was his function in the Regiment then? Was he part of the regimental staff? Or was the school a part of the 506th PIR? And last question, does the fact that he was awarded the CIB means he actually did jump on D-Day, and take action in Normandy??? That seems a bit weird in my book, no?

If anyone has some infos, i'll be happy to hear them.
Thanks in advance

He was a supply officer after CF.In series you can see he is wearing an Alied Airborne patch and i think he was in 101 or in 506 (not sure!)

Try the search feature........ He has been discussed ad infinatum on this site.

Ooops, yes sorry about this... i realize that this has been kind of discussed elsewhere on this forum...
But actually, from what i gathered here, it seems like "Sobel was made regimental S4. The paper work assigning him to that job was dated March 8, 1945 (although he had the job unofficially much earlier)" (quoting Larry A.)...

But that's late war, and i was curious why Capt. Sobel was awarded the CIB in june 44 as part of the 506th PIR... Was he already regimental supply officer at this time?

There are a LOT of posts here concerning Capt. Sobel in this forum, maybe the answer is somewhere, i'm going to keep looking through the old posts and see if i find something...

Thanks...

To get the CIB he would just have had to come under fire at some point in time. There were probably lots of different times that could have happened during June without him actually having made the drop.

Didn't he come under fire at Toccoa or was that just talk and did he not qualify for a purple heart for his appendectomy on a medic training thingy at Toccoa or Aldbourne.

Hello,


For information, Captain SOBEL formed part of the 101 well St AIRBORNE of the 506 PIR.

If my memory its good, it were 1lt for the instruction of Easy.

Then it left to the school clifton.

To finish with logistics, E bandages that it carries on its sleeve the badge of the 13th Airborne Division of 1943 to 1946

In BOB (the book, although the series tracks this pretty well), CPT Sobol is first seen after his relief from command of E Company as the Regimental Supply Officer in Normandy (note -- supply officer is not the same as S-4. The S-4 is the staff officer responsible for logistics planning; the Supply officer oversees the receipt, storage, transport and distribution of supplies). He later became the Regimental S-4.

As of the Vietnam era, in order to be awarded a CIB a person had to be assigned to an infantry position in a brigade-size (equivalent to a WWII regiment) or smaller unit for at least thirty days in a combat zone AND actually come under enemy fire. Result 1 is that the Medics who move in under enemy fire to treat the wounded don't get CIBs (they have their own Combat Medics Badge). Nor do the artillery Forward Observers or signal, supply or maintenance personnel when the position they are filling calls for a non-infantry Military Occupational Specialty. I don't KNOW that the same criteria were in place during World War II (and I suspect the thirty day requirement was not), but I believe the requirements were similar. As headquarters positions are typically branch-immaterial, I see no reason why CPT Sobol would not have (1) jumped into Normandy with the rest of the regiment, and (2) been awarded a CIB along with the other men.

For those interested, CIB

Mike

Sobel came ashore with the seaborne eliment of the 101st & 506th (along with other Regimental support types) and saw combat with the Regiment throughout the month of June and July. He would have been awarded the CIB within the guidlines of other members of the Regiment.

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