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TomC
Saw this over at Mark Bando's website (thanks Tony for the lead, and Patelie - thanks for the plug over there!):

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Len Hicks was one of the older members of F/506th and he wrote his war memoirs before he died. Thanks to Bill True, also of F Co., we have excerpts of what Len had to say about the famous fight at the 105mm gun battery. This reminds us that elements of other 2d Bn companies were also involved in the fight to take out those guns. Len wrote:
"We passed through the edge of one or maybe two small towns. Very little fire until we had passed the 2d or 3rd, right beside some barn-like buildings and a high hedge. The krauts really showed what an '88' could do. Some of the (2nd) Bn officers did some scouting of this situation, because this emplacement was not on aerial photos and neither was it on the sand table.
Capt. Winters told me to take a detail down and clear it out, so we could go on to our objective. There were more E Co. troopers in this group, about 12 to 14. They were right by me when Capt. Winters was briefing them.-I told Capt. Winters I would like to have some of that action. His reply "Would anyone else like to go?"
I walked over and asked for volunteers. Sgt Julian Houck was the only one interested.
(During the battle) We were laying very near each other, when he suggested he would throw a grenade over to #4 emplacement. I told him to be very careful-we did not have much cover, in case they wanted to throw some back.
I'm sorry to say that "Rusty" was killed instantly by a burst of burp gun fire. He was hit across the top part of the shoulders, all internal bleeding-the little amount of external blood could have been wiped-off with a cigarette paper. He did not suffer. I can say Thank God, for "Rusty" was one of the good ones. I do not know if it was Rusty's grenade or my shot that got that guy. About 2-3 minutes later, Lt. Compton crawled up to check on us. After a few minutes, he suggested that I try to work my way over toward this 4th gun. The only way I could see was the trench between the two guns. For the first few feet, I could walk bent-over then the trench became too shallow. I had just started to get down, when I was hit in the right shin bone. I stopped. Lt. Compton asked "What's wrong?" "I think I slowed one down a little" was my reply. Luckily, I could walk back to a spot near him.
He brought out his jump knife (very sharp)-ripped my pants leg up to near the crotch, and proceeded to be the best aid man who ever worked on me-later I did have others. He used all my bandages and some of his-most of my calf muscles were blown away and I had started to bleed. He wanted me to lay down there, but I told him I only had two rounds left and would not be much help.
When I crawled past Capt. Winters he asked about how serious it was, and could I get out, because we were all out of ammo. By the time I crawled to the end of this trench, everyone had passed me. The trench here was about 4' deep, and no matter how I tried, I just could not make it. I sat back against the wall and waited for whatever came around the corner. It would be rough. I was damn good snap shooting with a rifle. I heard someone running and figured this it it. I have thanked God many times, because I am not an excited person. It was "Red" Kimberling from HQ Co.2nd Bn. He had been up in front of me. No one knew this and had not notified him to pull back. He had run out of ammo. He helped me out of the trench and then carried me back to a fence and rolled me under. Here was another trooper giving us some cover fire. There was an open field to cross-they figured to use my arms to tow me and let my butt absorb the shock. These guys may never have won any medals for running, but they were going so fast that my butt never touched the ground until we stopped. They were not even winded!
I think the final count on the number of krauts that made up the crews for these guns was 52-53. I think there were 15 of us. When the tanks came, they went down to these emplacements for a check up. We had done a pretty good job.
As a result of this account Bando goes on to state in his forum that:

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Don't forget that in addition to 12 Easy Co. troopers, there was the W.O. who was KIA, the 2 from F Co. (Hicks and Houck), the 2 from Service Co., (John D. Hall and Gerald Loraine) also Red Kimberling from 2/506 HQ Co., who was so far forward in the fight, that nobody was in position to inform him of the withdrawal. Red has to be one trooper who fell thru the cracks. Think about it: if even one trooper had retreated past him when the ammo ran out, he woud've realized a withdrawal was in progress before he himself ran out of bullets. Then Lt. Speirs arrived before the 4th gun was taken, bringing along Art DiMarzio, Ray Taylor, and probably a few additional Dog Co. troopers. You can bet there were still more present who we still haven't learned about-the list keeps growing.


The list keeps growing? Interesting as there seems to be an implication that original 12 or 13 were not responsible for spearheading the assault. I am not entirely sure of that (but naturally open to anything new and substantiated), but I can see where others joined up later in the assault (Speirs and others); it did last nearly 4 hours.

Larry, perhaps you have some details on this from your recent discussions. It looks as if I have some updating to do on my site.
Polish Eagle
Most interesting Tom, this one's throwing up new info all the time. Do you have a link to the website you mentioned?
Survivor
Tom, you're the "Brecourt Manor" man, for sure!

Thanks for the story/update. History is always fluid, isn't it? Good thing these guys are getting this down now and not waiting for later.

For those few that haven't seen it, Tom's site is a treasure trove of info.

Regards,
Dale
TomC
Hi guys and sorry for the late reply; I was out of town for the last few days putting on the Thanksgiving pounds. Great gravy I'm still reeling from all the food.

Dale - thanks for the great feedback, but I couldn't have done it without some of the encouragement and help from this forum and members. smile.gif

Polish Eagle - here's the link to the post at Bando's site:

http://pub36.ezboard.com/ftriggertimeforum...icID=1677.topic
patelie
Hello

there is another discussion about Brecourt Manor at trigger time forum..particullary new photographs (really one i have never seen)
The topic is at http://pub36.ezboard.com/ftriggertimeforum...icID=1899.topic

the new photograph is this one http://members.shaw.ca/eriennelab/Brecourt.htm
psumner
Patrick - EXCELLENT!!

Not sure how I missed this thread, but am certainly glad you posted this info. Thanks. The pictures are outstanding.

Paul
larrya
Winters maintains that the initial assaults were made by himself and the 11 men of Easy and Lorraine and took the first 3 guns. (Hall and another man came up to help take Gun #3 whuich is when Hall was killed.) He then sent back for help and more ammo, but when none arrived, he went back himself and found Strayer and the rest pouring over the captured maps, but not sending him any help. He exploded all over his CO and said, "When I send back for help, I mean now! Not when you feel like it." He got the ammo he needed and Hester then agreed to send reinforcements, which he brought up in person, plus additional explosives (Hall DID NOT bring up any explosives as shown in the movie). These included Hicks, Houck, Spiers and the rest.
appell8
Larry, THANKS! The updates from Major Winters are pure gold.

BTW, this bit of news underlines how short the distance was from Le Gran Chemin to Brecourt, something that took me aback when we walked the ground. It also highlights the Winters-Strayer dynamic.

Really great stuff, Larry. Thanks, Doug
TomC
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From Triggertime:
And to "Patrick": The date of the first detailed photo of the Brecourt site was taken the morning of D-DAy.


Patrick: I am wondering if you can get David substantiate/verify his source; I would like to make sure, as the image is almost identical to the IGN file taken in 1948 - almost.

I have debated whether or not the three, small circular areas along the treeline were the gun placements; however, their distance from one another in contrary to that of almost every account. Wild Bill himself stated last year in the debut chat session that the guns were "100 yards" apart. The picture shows them closer. On another note it should be noted that it's been nearly 60 years since this event tookplace, so memories may not be as clear as once were.

So here we go again... smile.gif
TomC
Done a bit more looking into this, and the aerial is definitely different from the 1947 version; the 1947 version shows the north end of the field tilled. I've corresponded with David through the forum and hope to get a reply concerning the exact date and the image origin.
jrincewind
TomC,

did you ever get an update on this.

Jrincewind
(a lurker - that found this topic by a link but can't find it by navigating through the boards). ph34r.gif
TomC
jrincewind:

Actually I did get some information. The photo that was taken is from a English archive and dated June 6th, 1944. As for the distance of the guns (those in the main line of resistance facing Utah), according to Wild Bill himself, they were about 50 yards apart, and that would go well indeed with the marked areas in the photo.

-Tom
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