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Serb
Does anyone knows,Hitler's Eagel's Nest,is it still there or destroyed?I can't find any site or pic of it! blink.gif
EmersonBigguns
Yes!

http://www.eagles-nest-tours.com/en/page3.php
WaLLLY
Sweet as, Im going to do that tour when i go to Europe in a couple of years
Mr_Sunray
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Does anyone knows,Hitler's Eagel's Nest,is it still there or destroyed?I can't find any site or pic of it! blink.gif


I can vouch that it's still there ... at least it was last Summer! tongue.gif

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Steve
ianhay_7
It must have been rebuilt because when Easy Co arrived there wasn't much left of it. Blown up by loyal followers in the SS.

Ian
Mr_Sunray
Ian, I think you're referring about Hitler's residence on Obersalzburg, the Berghof. The whole are was pulverised by the RAF. Eagles Nest remained intact. Also, it was US 7th Infantry Division who 'liberated' Berchtesgaden and the Kehlstein (Eagles Nest). The 101st relieved 7th Infantry.

Hitler's Berghof.
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Steve
EmersonBigguns
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On June 12th, (1944) I got to go on a four-day trip to the town of Berchtesgaden in the Alps where we saw Hitler's retreat known as Aldershort by the Germans and the Eagles Nest by the Americans. The American planes had heavily bombed the house, but with four-foot thick concrete walls, much of it was still left. The civilians in the nearby town thought the Americans were wonderful, because they only bombed Hitler's house and spared theirs. Even the upper portion of the Eagles Nest was still in very good condition for some reason we did not fully understand (See Fig. 153). I went with Vern Bapst, who was in my gun section, and with Andy Anderson, who was in another gun section (See Fig. 154). We stayed in the quaint Alpine village, living in barracks originally built to house the German SS troops guarding Hitler's home. Most of the soldiers we met there were from the 101st Paratrooper Division, also known as the "Screaming Eagles," which fit with the "Eagle's Nest."

-Robert F. Gallagher, 815th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion, United States Army

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I can vouch that it's still there ... at least it was last Summer!


Perhaps the RAF has bombed it since your last visit Steve.... tongue.gif

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Source: www.gallagher.com/ww2/index.html
Mr_Sunray
QUOTE(EmersonBigguns @ Mar 16 2006, 09:33 AM) *

Perhaps the RAF has bombed it since your last visit Steve.... tongue.gif

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That is a photo of the Berghof not Eagles Nest. wink.gif

Steve
EmersonBigguns
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ss278
I have photos of my dad at the Eagles Nest shortly after the war. It looked to be in decent shape, though well-looted.

I'm taking my family there this July.
Lt PWF DCM
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Perhaps the RAF has bombed it since your last visit Steve.... tongue.gif



No no no, it wasnt the RAF, it was a Combined Ops job with the assistance of the SOE redux. laugh.gif

Cheers

Thomas
ianhay_7
I have seen film showing the Eagles Nest in disrepair. Obvously wrong, thus my confusion. World at war DVD for a start ,I think that shows the Eagles nest in a mess which is obviously wrong. Probably the Berghof.

I sit corrected.

Ian

ham and jam
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Bomber command diary
25th April

Berchtesgaden: 359 Lancasters and 16 Mosquitos of Nos 1, 5 and 8 Groups. 2 Lancasters lost. This raid was against Hitler's 'Eagle's Nest' chalet and the local SS guard barracks. Among the force were 16 Lancasters of No 617 Squadron dropping their last Tallboys. 8 Oboe Mosquitos were also among the bombing force, to help with the marking, but mountains intervened between one of the ground stations transmitting the Oboe signals and the Mosquitos could not operate even though they were flying at 39,000 ft! There was some mist and the presence of snow on the ground also made it difficult to identify targets, but the bombing appeared to be accurate and effective. No other details are available.
WaLLLY
I like those older photos. Looking at them gives you an odd feeling.
BenAlmighty
The Eagles Nest is fantastic. Splendid view of the Alps. The bus ride up the mountain is fairly unnerving but a good experience. You take the famous gold plated elevator the last 100 feet or so. Although its now brass plated as i believe the Russians had the gold away.

This is me hanging out there, although its not in shot, there is an actual eagle sitting a few feet away from me, just eating some crumbs or something that someone dropped. Theres loads of them up there.

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Jiggersfromsphilly
You guys are confusing the Berghoff with the Eagles Nest which was located higher in the mountain complex.

The Berghof was destroyed by the RAF. The Eagles nest was untouched and the pictures of EASY smoking cigars and drinking were taken there.
EmersonBigguns
Berghof gone...


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The Berghof was heavily damaged during the RAF bombing raid on 25 April 1945. This photo, taken
from a Lancaster bomber during the raid, shows most of the main Obersalzberg complex. The Berghof
appears at the bottom, showing at least two direct bomb hits. (Royal Air Force photo, Hotel Zum Türken)


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Departing SS troops set the Berghof on fire on 4 May 1945, and the ruins were still smoldering when soldiers of the U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division arrived that afternoon. Note the camouflage painting on the side of the house, which was also applied to the buildings of the Platterhof and SS Kaserne, and the snow remaining from a light snowfall the night before. (U.S. Army photos, National Archives RG 111-SC 204347-S, 204344-S)

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This view, taken from the hill behind the Berghof, shows the burned-out ruin as it was found by the 3rd Infantry Division soldiers. (Rupert Prohme, "History of 30th Infantry Regiment World War II," Washington, Infantry Journal Press, 1947)

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Appearance of the ruined Berghof in the late 1940s - early 1950s.

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To deter tourists, sight-seers, and neo-Nazis, the Bavarian government blew up the ruins of the Berghof on 30 April 1952.

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Remains of the Berghof site as it appears today.




Eagle's Nest still there...

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Photo taken shortly after U.S. occupation, and a similar view today



source: thirdreichruins.com (Great Website!)
appell8
EB, does the History Channel know about you? Most excellent research and documentation.



WaLLLY
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EB, does the History Channel know about you? Most excellent research and documentation.

Agreed on that, well done EB, great work!!

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Poor ruins got blown up again dry.gif
ianhay_7
QUOTE(EmersonBigguns @ Mar 16 2006, 09:26 PM) *

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To deter tourists, sight-seers, and neo-Nazis, the Bavarian government blew up the ruins of the Berghof on 30 April 1952.

source: thirdreichruins.com (Great Website!)


I wonder why the Eagles Nest remains intact and didn't end up the same way as the Berghof and other monuments to Hitler.

Good work EB.

Ian
Mr_Sunray
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I wonder why the Eagles Nest remains intact and didn't end up the same way as the Berghof and other monuments to Hitler.

Ian


Well, firstly it was too difficult a target for the bombers to hit, and secondly, Eagles Nest was set to follow the same fate as the Berghoff, which was completely destroyed in 1952, by being dynamited. Luckily, the Berchtesgaden Burgermeister succesfully pleaded with the US military authorites to preserve the Kehlstein 'tea house'.

Steve
EmersonBigguns
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EB, does the History Channel know about you? Most excellent research and documentation.


Thanks for the compliments Appel8 and others but I must concede any kudos to Mr. Geof Walden and his website "www.thirdreichruins.com". All I did was point and click, and then cite my references. Mr. Walden did all the work. That is a very good 'then and now' website that has pictures from many places within Hitler's Third Reich. I'm a real sucker for those 'then and now' pics..... tongue.gif

Edit: Wasn't that photo of the Berghoff in mid explosion too cool?!? biggrin.gif
ianhay_7
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Luckily, the Berchtesgaden Burgermeister succesfully pleaded with the US military authorites to preserve the Kehlstein 'tea house'.

Steve


I wonder where his loyalty fell, being a Burgermaster in Berchtesgaden he probably wasn't a Nazi, or, even seen this as a way for the town to earn money from tourism using it's association with Hitler et al. dry.gif Am I being judgemental or cynical?Can't believe they agreed to let it stand even after his pleas. Anyway it's there, so it disnae matter!
kilodawg
EB is right on when it comes to Geof Walden's sight. I've used his photo CD on two trips to Germany to help with places to visit and taking some of my own then and now pics using his "then"s.

I stayed at the Hotel Zum Turken while there for the full effect and it made for quite the interesting visit. Frau Scharfenberg is a wonderful lady with a very interesting story.

I used this picture from Geof's site to appoximate as good as I could where the Berghof window was located.

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The Zum Turken was used by the RSD guards and signs still remain today although blatant photo's by sightseers are somewhat frowned upon.

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It's kind of interesting to see that significant repair work was done on the guard stand at some point in the past.
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